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This review is going to sound negative, but only by comparison to excellent games like Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age: Origins



Well that was... interesting... and in some ways disappointing.

The good things, first: While I would have been content with (and was sort of expecting) a game where the combat and levelling system was identical to Mass Effect 1, I'm not at all disappointed by what they did with the combat in this one. I think, on balance, the action sequences were better here than in Mass Effect 1-- I really liked the advancing series of cover points mechanism, once I figured it out. (And in the first fight or two where that mattered, it was hard to figure out where I was supposed to go, so that was doubly frustrating.)

I also liked some of the variations they pulled on this-- the sequence to rescue Tali, where you had to stay in the shadows was cute. Miranda's loyalty mission, with the moving obstructions on the conveyor belts was also nice. There were enough variations to keep me interested, but not so many that they felt like a stunt. Not to mention, lots of the ME1 mini-missions were transparent carbon copies of each other, re-using floorplans, etc. (Shockingly, I did not actually mind that!)

So I liked that. I find myself eager to back and kick its ass on Insanity level, especially since I now have a good idea who to take with on each mission. I find myself annoyed to admit that in the endgame, Soldier-Shepard, Mordin, and Zaeed made a damn good trio. Squad disruptor ammo to punch through barriers if necessary, then squad armor piercing ammo (which I bought special) and area effect burnination to peel off the armor. Speaking of which, the need to peel enemies out of sequential layers of protection was kinda hokey, but made for good gameplay for me.

I think I also mostly approve of the mini-games. God knows that while none of them were enthralling, they were all better than the X-X-Y-X-A WIN! sequences on Mass Effect 1, which were boring and ubiquitous. I found strange that the console hacking (with the code-segment matching exercises) had several levels of difficulty, including some where the columns and rows were a little offset, while the manual override ones were all pretty much the same. I thought at one point they were ramping up to more than four pairs of symbols, but clearly they did not.

While I did miss the MAKO combat sequences, I did not at all miss the annoying, "Drive around the planet all day looking for stupid minerals" part of things. The new planet-scanning missions were at least short, once you get the upgrade that lets you move the scanner quickly, and faster still when you learn to pulse the scanner and rotate the planet. Still, I missed the MAKO fights, against the Geth in particular. But not against those goddam thresher maws. Seriously, call in a nuke from orbit and do the galaxy a favor.

So mechanically, I loved this. If ME1 was an 8.5 or a 9, ME2 was a half a point or so higher. (Seriously, there was nothing at all wrong with ME1, I just liked the tactical aspects of ME2 better.)

On the other hand, the story....

The story didn't suck. Really, by objective standards, the story was pretty good. But judging against ME1, and DA:O, it was a bit pale. Instead of hitting the sweet spot and including the best of both of those games, they seem to have only taken the baselines of each and not added anything unique or engaging.

Here is what I mean: Mass Effect 1 had a plot that was non-linear, but still managed to be unified and engaging. It had a villain, in Saren Arterius, that I really seriously wanted to pound into mulch. Even at the beginning of the game, I hated that asshole. By the end, when he made me send one of my crew members to his death, I headed into the endgame with a serious sense of, "My boot-heel. Your skull-bone. Partners forever." And then in the final scenes, I felt just a tiny bit sorry for him, as he tried, and failed, to achieve redemption in a moment of clarity. Then I killed him again, turned to my brother, and said, "Good!"

There were also choices that had consequences. My first run-through of ME1, I accidentally got Wrex killed (actually, Ashley shot him in the head) and I was shocked and had to back up and redo that because, no, I did not want the Krogan dead! And I never even saw the Ashley-Kaidan choice coming.

Dragon Age, by contrast, had a less unified plot, which in itself is an incredible achievement. The character depth was a little less, because there were more of them, but the character interaction was phenomenal. The range of choices you could make and have them affect the plot was astounding. Even though my first playthrough of DA:O was probably (unfortunately) the blandest, I marvel as much at what they did there as I do at what they did in ME1.

So what went wrong in ME2? I'm not 100% sure I know, but here is my suspicion:

First, too many characters, which didn't give us enough time to really get to know any of them. Once you figure out what's going on, and you realize that it's always, "Rescue, Loyalty Request, Loyalty Mission, Unlock," it got bland, then boring, then almost annoying. By about the fifth time, I wanted an option to go to Ensign Perky and say, "Okay, so has Thane decided to stop brooding and ask me for help with something? No? Tell him to hurry the fuck up, okay, we're saving the galaxy. Again."

I would also have preferred either that the loyalty missions be better integrated into the background plot, instead of mostly random, or that there be some real choices with consequences in-game. There were obviously some opposing pairs of characters in terms of loyalty missions. Miranda and Jack, for instance. (With cut-scene after.) Tali and LEGION. (Again, with cut-scene.) I expected Grunt and Mordin to similar, but they weren't. And I expected these choices to have consequences, which, if they did, they were subtle enough that I missed them. It would have been interesting to be forced to choose between Miranda's and Jack's loyalty, with ramifications later. The presence of the cut-scenes makes me wonder if that wasn't planned, then scrapped.

I think, having played ME2, now, what I would have done is cut the cast of NPCs down, but given them all two loyalty missions. Or perhaps, each gets an initial loyalty mission, and then arrange them in pairs such that you can truly achieve loyalty for only one of each pair. (Or forego some other large reward if you really want both.) At a guess, I'd have probably kept...

Tali and LEGION (as a pair, and that would have been a tough choice!)
Miranda and Jack (Jack, totally Jack.)
Garrus and Jacob? (On the grounds that Jacob's a meta-mercenary, and Garrus hates mercs.)
Mordin and Grunt (another tough choice in principle, but Grunt was a boring character, so.)

So ideally, that'd add eight more loyalty missions.

That scraps the contemptible Zaeed, the brooding Thane, and the Asari who was so dull I can't even remember her name. Unless I'm forgetting something. That would scrap three acquisition missions and three loyalty missions, so on balance, not much of an increase. But we'd know the characters better. Ideally, they'd all be integrated into the plot a little better, too.

Second, even though Mr. Harbinger Dude was creepy and all, he was also... kinda... lame. "This hurts you." Oh, screw you, and kiss my particle beam, asshole. Seriously, stop with the sound track after I kill your a dozen times. The main arc of the game, the arc that did not involve side-quests, acquisitions, or loyalty missions was really short! Just four missions-- Horizon, the Trap, the IFF, and the Rescue. Of those, only the finale was comparable in length and intensity to any of the core arc missions in ME1. The entire Horizon mission seemed to be roughly the same complexity as just the opening movements of the Feros mission of getting Zhu's Hope out of imminent danger-- much less solving their mid term problems, driving out to the research station, driving back, rescuing the colonists, and finally doing for the Thorian, for once and for all.

So if you walk away from ME2 thinking that the plot felt thin... well, it did. It was shallower and shorter.

That's not to say it wasn't good. It was good. Or that it didn't have great moments. It did. It just wasn't Bioware level great, as I was expecting. And there were some good arcs in the middle and some great moments. The callbacks (mostly by e-mail, somethings by seeing characters) were pretty deftly handled, and I'll be interested on my renegade and paragon run-throughs, to see how good and bad things can get.

Tali's loyalty mission was a damned hard choice, since I made that entirely prior to knowing anything at all about LEGION. I made the choice based on my read of the game designers more than anything else-- there really had not, prior to that moment, been any good indication that any compromise could be reached with the Geth, ever, but I figured the game designers were setting something up by even offering it. I defy anyone to tell me why one option over the other in LEGION's loyalty mission was paragon over renegade-- choosing between something akin to genocide and something akin to mass brainwashing does not admit to a good choice, period. Mordin's was pretty ugly and pretty moving, too.

There were some absolutely great minor moments, too. The over-the-shoulder glare that Tali gave Jacob when he introduced EDI was priceless. Seriously, if looks could kill. The Asari bartender. Conrad (who I'm sure will be back, since I'm sure he faked his death, emulating Shepard.) The Rachni message. Too many more to mention.

And despite the shortness of the overall arc, I certainly liked where they went with it. Reapers really are made out of people! It was a little hokey that the larva-Reaper looked, physically, like a human, but I could roll with that. And I got shoot the thing in the eye-socket with a particle beam. One of the notable lacks in Mass Effect 1-- intentional, I'm sure-- is that Sovereign never bothered to explain why it was doing what it was doing. Now we know-- some sort of twisted reproduction cycle. Ad now, apparently, all of them are angry.

Also, Illusive Man: NO YOU CAN NOT HAS REAPER TECHNOLOGY! Asshole.

Finally: Any bets on whether the Shadow Broker is a major part of ME3? Any bets that the resolution of Tali's and LEGION's loyalty missions is a big issue?

So in summary, while I really enjoyed the game, it just didn't meet the very high expectations I place on BioWare games.



Spoilers for everything and anything Mass Effect allowed in the comments, even stuff I didn't get to.

Date: 2010-02-07 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skwidly.livejournal.com
DAMMIT! Want to read sooo much! (I just got done with Horizon. Fucking Williams. Never did like her...

Date: 2010-02-08 04:42 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
You should have killed her when you had the chance!

Date: 2010-02-24 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skwidly.livejournal.com
Kaiden was even more of a worthless character than she was, IMO. Better a bitch than a bore, IOW.

Date: 2010-02-08 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aor.livejournal.com
So, right, the idea is that the Reapers liquify millions of sentient creatures in order to distill them into new Reapers. Right? That's kind of insane, but I hadn't really considered it as a possibility, so good job on the story.

I thought the larval Reaper was walking the line a little between scary and kind of silly. But mostly I approve.

I didn't do any of Tali's stuff. I'm going to do a replay and put that in. Honestly, I was getting tired of my character, and wanted to charge through to the end, and then go again with one I liked better.

Legion's choice was certainly significant. I'd definitely count on the shadow broker showing up in ME3. I'm wondering how things are going to come together, in terms of Cerberus, the Alliance, Shepard (basically a one-man galaxy-saving superman; I'd give him equal weight with the Alliance in a fight).

Oh, and I thought the relationship between Joker (actually funny in this game!) and EDI was pretty well done.

I also thought the whole endgame sequence was nicely conceived.

Date: 2010-02-08 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prince-corwin.livejournal.com
Well, yeah, the liquefaction angle was, how you say, silly. Seriously, they could probably have gotten everything they needed by hacking the Alliance Genetic Medical Database, but "The Aliens Are Killing Us For Our DNA," is really just a 21st century version of "The Aliens Are Killing Us For Our Food And Water!"

You should seriously do Tali's stuff. It was one of the plottier loyalty quests.

Also, there was one moment that was conspicuous by its absence, but hilarious anyway: You can, in fact, take LEGION with you onto the Citadel! I did it on purpose, with Grunt, to be as obnoxious as possible. I was expecting something to happen, but, no, nothing. Clearly C-Sec is modelled after the TSA....

Date: 2010-02-12 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormfeather.livejournal.com
If you talk to Anderson with him in your party, one of his dialogue bits (the one about geth no longer being the bogeymen they used to be) adds the line something along the lines of "which is why your pet there isn't getting much reaction"... or something. Basically kinda lame, but at least they acknowledged it.

Date: 2010-02-12 10:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
Also, there is a funny scene if you talk to the c-sec customs officer (the one who is always arguing with the Turian about getting on a shuttle) with Legion in your group.

Date: 2010-02-12 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormfeather.livejournal.com
Hah, yeah, I've been going through some of the ME2 posts I know about (tried to just slog through all the posts I missed, but gave up), and ran across those two scenes (that and the C-Sec fail) in the comments somewhere.

I loved that.

Date: 2010-02-08 03:08 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
I largely agree with you, wrt story & game construction analysis. Fewer characters would definitely have tightened up the plot, although I'd have missed Samara, who was one of my go-to party members--assault rifle + biotics is hard to beat.

Telling Jed where to get off was definitely a high point. It could only have been better if I'd gotten to kick him in the face in person. Assuming he has a face. I would still not be terribly shocked if he turns out to be an AI or something.

What ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED me, to the point where my jaw literally dropped was when I went around to talk to the crew after the final mission, and MIRANDA AGREED WITH ME. (Hell, maybe she agrees with you either way, but I was still shocked.)

I'm pretty excited to replay this with my Max Asshole Shepard (that is really his name, Max A. Shepard), and see how it goes if he really goes over to Cerberus' side. But, not today.


Date: 2010-02-08 03:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
Oh, also, re: Shadow Broker & so forth: they never explained why the Reapers wanted Shepard's body especially! I mean, I guess they wanted to make her part of the Reaper, but only having her ground-up chemical components wouldn't do much for them, would it?

Also-also: I was wondering how non-sniper characters took down the mega-Terminator, and now I know: particle beam! For my part, the "widow" rifle (it is the same one Legion can get via research) was much more effective. It really does shoot through schools.

Date: 2010-02-08 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prince-corwin.livejournal.com
Any heavy weapon and a whole fucking lot of bullets. I played the end-game twice, and on hardcore, not even the Cain does much more than dent that bastard.

Since it's mostly armor, having Mordin and Zaeed-- both of whom had maxed out burnination-- along with my Shepard's squad armor piercing bullets was helpful. Also, there's a machine gun upgrade that carried almost 500 rounds.

Also, regarding not having the Asari in my proposed reshuffling, I'm assuming that some of the skills would get jiggered around so it's still balanced. Jack is still a good biotic specialist. Or maybe they could make the remaining characters a little more loosely defined.

Date: 2010-02-08 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aor.livejournal.com
I found that my regular SMG and carnifex pistol did a nice job on the big giant head. Took a while, of course. And I tossed warps at it as often as I could.

Aside from the zoom, I found the heavy pistol to be a better weapon than the sniper rifle, which is weird. Is the sniper rifle more awesome if you have it from the beginning? I got mine during the derelict ship mission.

Date: 2010-02-08 04:26 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
Re: sniper rifle, it probably depends on your play style. I found the Carnifex pistol to be largely useless, and just switched off between the SMG and SR.

I had SR skill from the beginning, and picked up a seriously bad-ass gun during the derelict ship mission. Is that what you're asking? (My choices on the derelict ship were: Assault Weapon training, Shotgun training, or Awesome Rifle. I went with the rifle, and never regretted it.)

Date: 2010-02-08 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aor.livejournal.com
Well, OK: with the heavy pistol, I could take down collector drones in two shots. It took three with the SR.

Date: 2010-02-08 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prince-corwin.livejournal.com
Since, for various reasons relating to my own stupidity, I never really played a soldier in ME1, I enjoyed the living shit out the various assault rifles and machine guns. No, seriously, that shit never got old for me.

I see the appeal in the sniper rifle, and it was probably my second most used weapon, but I only broke it out for really stubborn enemies behind obstructions, and boss fights.

By the way, there is an advancement somewhere in the game that acted as a stabilizer for machine guns, too, which made the otherwise inaccurate high capacity machine gun into something deadly precise. It was joyful. Seriously, soldiers kick ass. (The infiltrator Tactical Cloak looks pretty nice, too, and none of the other classes look exceptional to me.)

Date: 2010-02-08 04:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
I may convert one of my other Shepards into a soldier. Probably the goody-two-shoes Starfleet Officer, who was also an Infiltrator in ME1.

The cloak made sniping EXTREMELY effective.

Date: 2010-02-08 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prince-corwin.livejournal.com
Ahhh, that makes exceptional sense.

Likewise, the matrix-effect made it really easy to dance around stupid lumbering Krogan or Geth Hunters and put a whole lot of bullets into them.

Date: 2010-02-08 04:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
The drones I mostly just set on fire. More efficient.

Date: 2010-02-12 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormfeather.livejournal.com
Damn the whole loss of internet thing! *sniff* Anywho:

I find myself annoyed to admit that in the endgame, Soldier-Shepard, Mordin, and Zaeed

Ugh, Zaeed! Okay, I'll admit, I used him a liiiittle bit just because, but not much. For one thing, I want moar powers to play with. For another, he just annoys me. Prick.

While I did miss the MAKO combat sequences, I did not at all miss the annoying, "Drive around the planet all day looking for stupid minerals" part of things.

I... don't really know if i miss the MAKO combat or not, but at least it would have added a bit more variety.

On the other hand, I do kinda miss exploring planets in the MAKO *in theory*... in practice I absolutely do NOT miss the goddamn terrain. Or, as you mentioned, the thresher maws. (Although it made taking out the one on Tuchanka so goddamn sweet...)

That scraps the contemptible Zaeed, the brooding Thane, and the Asari who was so dull I can't even remember her name.

What? No! You can't get rid of Thane. (Was I the only person that liked him?) Samara... I kinda liked her, but I wouldn't be up in arms about her being gone, and yeah, you can take away Zaeed.

There were some absolutely great minor moments, too. The over-the-shoulder glare that Tali gave Jacob when he introduced EDI was priceless. Seriously, if looks could kill. The Asari bartender. Conrad (who I'm sure will be back, since I'm sure he faked his death, emulating Shepard.) The Rachni message. Too many more to mention.

Hah, yeah. Joker's little solo mission. ("Shit shit shit! What the shit??), and a lot of the little people you can run by having conversations - the bachelor party, the brother and sister-in-law from ME1 with the baby, the quarian and turian non-couple, the turian and asari with the lifespan talk...

And yeah, it's pretty damn impressive when someone can give a noticeable death glare of doom through a visor that shows none of their face.

Also: I didn't get Conrad killed in mine, I'm almost positive! Even going back to check news reels again after! Maybe it depends on the conversation choices?

And going back a bit...

It would have been interesting to be forced to choose between Miranda's and Jack's loyalty, with ramifications later. The presence of the cut-scenes makes me wonder if that wasn't planned, then scrapped.

Actually that is sort-of integrated... I know it's possible to fuck that up - if you finish both loyalty missions from one of the pairs too soon and don't have an adequate paragon/renegade score at the time, you can't defuse the situation and have to make a choice on who to support, and the other drops back down to neutral. You *can* later go back and fix it, through a conversation, but you need something like maxxed out paragon/renegade at that point, so it's harder than defusing it while it's going on.

There's at least one other major thing that can be done in the game with a very high paragon/renegade at the time (maybe even maxxed), but I'm not sure *how* spoily you want to get.

Date: 2010-02-12 10:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
Conrad definitely didn't die in mine, he ended up founding a halfway house for escaped slaves and abandoned children. (Believe it or not, that was the result of a "mean" conversation option...)

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